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> <channel><title>Comments on: &#8220;an academical village&#8221; is at least unambiguously stupid</title> <atom:link href="http://www.manifestdensity.net/2007/05/14/an-academical-village-is-at-least-unambiguously-stupid/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.manifestdensity.net/2007/05/14/an-academical-village-is-at-least-unambiguously-stupid/</link> <description>Just another WordPress weblog</description> <lastBuildDate>Fri, 03 Feb 2012 18:04:33 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3</generator> <item><title>By: teofilo</title><link>http://www.manifestdensity.net/2007/05/14/an-academical-village-is-at-least-unambiguously-stupid/comment-page-1/#comment-657</link> <dc:creator>teofilo</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2007 18:34:10 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://127.0.0.1:8888/?p=240#comment-657</guid> <description>Hey guys.  The deal with the h words, as we discussed at Unfogged a while back, is that the h is dropped in some dialects, making the words vowel-initial, and even in other dialects weakened enough when unstressed for &quot;an&quot; to be used.  As Kriston points out, though, this doesn&#039;t work for &quot;humanitarian&quot; because h is one of the contexts where the palatalization rule I discussed in my post applies, meaning that even if the h drops out the word is still not vowel-initial but begins with [y] instead. </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey guys.  The deal with the h words, as we discussed at Unfogged a while back, is that the h is dropped in some dialects, making the words vowel-initial, and even in other dialects weakened enough when unstressed for &#8220;an&#8221; to be used.  As Kriston points out, though, this doesn&#8217;t work for &#8220;humanitarian&#8221; because h is one of the contexts where the palatalization rule I discussed in my post applies, meaning that even if the h drops out the word is still not vowel-initial but begins with [y] instead.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: tom</title><link>http://www.manifestdensity.net/2007/05/14/an-academical-village-is-at-least-unambiguously-stupid/comment-page-1/#comment-656</link> <dc:creator>tom</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2007 17:59:16 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://127.0.0.1:8888/?p=240#comment-656</guid> <description>Well, it might all be relative, Kriston.  IOt&#039;s only easier to say &quot;an habitual&quot; if you drop the H  -- anabitual.  Otherwise I think it flows smoothly into &quot;Ahab&quot;, which is perfectly pronounceable. </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, it might all be relative, Kriston.  IOt&#8217;s only easier to say &#8220;an habitual&#8221; if you drop the H  &#8212; anabitual.  Otherwise I think it flows smoothly into &#8220;Ahab&#8221;, which is perfectly pronounceable.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Kriston</title><link>http://www.manifestdensity.net/2007/05/14/an-academical-village-is-at-least-unambiguously-stupid/comment-page-1/#comment-655</link> <dc:creator>Kriston</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2007 17:38:35 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://127.0.0.1:8888/?p=240#comment-655</guid> <description>Oh, &lt;i&gt;Jesus&lt;/i&gt;: &quot;two&quot;. </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, <i>Jesus</i>: &#8220;two&#8221;.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Kriston</title><link>http://www.manifestdensity.net/2007/05/14/an-academical-village-is-at-least-unambiguously-stupid/comment-page-1/#comment-654</link> <dc:creator>Kriston</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2007 17:37:02 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://127.0.0.1:8888/?p=240#comment-654</guid> <description>I&#039;m not one to judge Garner, but the example he gives in his kicker is weak. Not only is the stress in the first syllable, but the h-vowel combination is not like the other examples he&#039;s given: &lt;i&gt;h&#252;&lt;/i&gt;manitarian versus &lt;i&gt;hys&lt;/i&gt;terical. The first is much harder. It&#039;s much easier to say &quot;an habitual&quot; than &quot;a habitual&quot; while it&#039;s much harder to say &quot;an humanitarian&quot; than &quot;a humanitarian&quot;. There are two standards &#039;cause too make sense.
But don&#039;t get me started on people from Houston&#8212;they don&#039;t pronounce Hs at all. </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not one to judge Garner, but the example he gives in his kicker is weak. Not only is the stress in the first syllable, but the h-vowel combination is not like the other examples he&#8217;s given: <i>h&uuml;</i>manitarian versus <i>hys</i>terical. The first is much harder. It&#8217;s much easier to say &#8220;an habitual&#8221; than &#8220;a habitual&#8221; while it&#8217;s much harder to say &#8220;an humanitarian&#8221; than &#8220;a humanitarian&#8221;. There are two standards &#8217;cause too make sense.<br
/> But don&#8217;t get me started on people from Houston&mdash;they don&#8217;t pronounce Hs at all.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Taxing Justin</title><link>http://www.manifestdensity.net/2007/05/14/an-academical-village-is-at-least-unambiguously-stupid/comment-page-1/#comment-653</link> <dc:creator>Taxing Justin</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2007 17:16:41 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://127.0.0.1:8888/?p=240#comment-653</guid> <description>Found a copy, Garner says sound rather than letter governs which indefinite article is proper.
From Garner:
People worry about whether the correct article is &lt;i&gt;a&lt;/i&gt; or &lt;i&gt;an&lt;/i&gt; with &lt;i&gt;historian&lt;/i&gt;, &lt;i&gt;historic&lt;/i&gt;, and a few other words.  Most authorities have supported &lt;i&gt;a&lt;/i&gt; over &lt;i&gt;an&lt;/i&gt;. . . .
The theory behind using &lt;i&gt;an&lt;/i&gt; in such a context is that the &lt;i&gt;h-&lt;/i&gt; is weak when the accent is on the second rather than the first syllable (giving rise, by analogy, to &lt;i&gt;an habitual offender&lt;/i&gt;, &lt;i&gt;an hallucinatory image&lt;/i&gt;, and &lt;i&gt;an hysterical crowd&lt;/i&gt;). . . .
Anyone who sounds the &lt;i&gt;h-&lt;/i&gt; in words of the type here discussed should avoid pretense and use &lt;i&gt;a&lt;/i&gt;.  &lt;i&gt;An&lt;/i&gt; humanitarian is, judged by even the most tolerant standards, a pretentious humanitarian. </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Found a copy, Garner says sound rather than letter governs which indefinite article is proper.<br
/> From Garner:<br
/> People worry about whether the correct article is <i>a</i> or <i>an</i> with <i>historian</i>, <i>historic</i>, and a few other words.  Most authorities have supported <i>a</i> over <i>an</i>. . . .<br
/> The theory behind using <i>an</i> in such a context is that the <i>h-</i> is weak when the accent is on the second rather than the first syllable (giving rise, by analogy, to <i>an habitual offender</i>, <i>an hallucinatory image</i>, and <i>an hysterical crowd</i>). . . .<br
/> Anyone who sounds the <i>h-</i> in words of the type here discussed should avoid pretense and use <i>a</i>. <i>An</i> humanitarian is, judged by even the most tolerant standards, a pretentious humanitarian.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Taxing Justin</title><link>http://www.manifestdensity.net/2007/05/14/an-academical-village-is-at-least-unambiguously-stupid/comment-page-1/#comment-652</link> <dc:creator>Taxing Justin</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2007 16:57:34 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://127.0.0.1:8888/?p=240#comment-652</guid> <description>The answers to these questions can be found in Garner&#039;s A Dictionary of Modern American Usage.
Although I don&#039;t have a copy handy, my recollection of the &quot;a&quot; vs. &quot;an&quot; dilemma when preceding &quot;historic&quot; depends on pronunciation and dialect.  The question turns on whether the Standard English speaker/writer aspirates the &quot;h&quot;.  Because the vast majority of English speakers aspirate the &quot;h&quot; in &quot;historic&quot;, &quot;a historic&quot; is the answer for Standard Written English.  And that is why &quot;an historic&quot; looks and sounds strange unless you have a certain British accent (as illustrated in your comment above). </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The answers to these questions can be found in Garner&#8217;s A Dictionary of Modern American Usage.<br
/> Although I don&#8217;t have a copy handy, my recollection of the &#8220;a&#8221; vs. &#8220;an&#8221; dilemma when preceding &#8220;historic&#8221; depends on pronunciation and dialect.  The question turns on whether the Standard English speaker/writer aspirates the &#8220;h&#8221;.  Because the vast majority of English speakers aspirate the &#8220;h&#8221; in &#8220;historic&#8221;, &#8220;a historic&#8221; is the answer for Standard Written English.  And that is why &#8220;an historic&#8221; looks and sounds strange unless you have a certain British accent (as illustrated in your comment above).</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: AUA</title><link>http://www.manifestdensity.net/2007/05/14/an-academical-village-is-at-least-unambiguously-stupid/comment-page-1/#comment-651</link> <dc:creator>AUA</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2007 16:21:56 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://127.0.0.1:8888/?p=240#comment-651</guid> <description>&quot;The Hysterical Hysterectomies&quot; would also be an marvelous title for a indie band. </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The Hysterical Hysterectomies&#8221; would also be an marvelous title for a indie band.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: tom</title><link>http://www.manifestdensity.net/2007/05/14/an-academical-village-is-at-least-unambiguously-stupid/comment-page-1/#comment-650</link> <dc:creator>tom</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2007 15:04:15 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://127.0.0.1:8888/?p=240#comment-650</guid> <description>I guess it may depend on where you grew up and how hard your H&#039;s are.  If you pronounce it with a very soft one (&quot;it&#039;s &#039;istoric, guv&#039;nah&quot;) I can see throwing in an &quot;an&quot;.  But I say it with a harder one, like &quot;hysterical&quot; or &quot;hysterectomy&quot;.  The use of &quot;an&quot; there sounds really weird to me. </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess it may depend on where you grew up and how hard your H&#8217;s are.  If you pronounce it with a very soft one (&#8220;it&#8217;s &#8216;istoric, guv&#8217;nah&#8221;) I can see throwing in an &#8220;an&#8221;.  But I say it with a harder one, like &#8220;hysterical&#8221; or &#8220;hysterectomy&#8221;.  The use of &#8220;an&#8221; there sounds really weird to me.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: ryan</title><link>http://www.manifestdensity.net/2007/05/14/an-academical-village-is-at-least-unambiguously-stupid/comment-page-1/#comment-649</link> <dc:creator>ryan</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2007 14:59:49 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://127.0.0.1:8888/?p=240#comment-649</guid> <description>Dude, &quot;an historic&quot; is totally correct. &quot;Haitch,&quot; as the English say, isn&#039;t really a consonant. I think the use of &quot;an&quot; with historic is justified by your speech-writing connection notion; the alternative sounds stupid.
That said, &lt;em&gt;A Stream of Whilsts&lt;/em&gt; is a marvelous title for something. An indie rock song maybe. </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dude, &#8220;an historic&#8221; is totally correct. &#8220;Haitch,&#8221; as the English say, isn&#8217;t really a consonant. I think the use of &#8220;an&#8221; with historic is justified by your speech-writing connection notion; the alternative sounds stupid.<br
/> That said, <em>A Stream of Whilsts</em> is a marvelous title for something. An indie rock song maybe.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
